need some help
  • sean
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    I bought a brand new CRF 450 R 3 days ago the bike keeps dying, backfiring, what is going on it's a brand new 9000 dollar bike I'm not at all happy with it it dies when I go to put it in first, sometimes it dies when I open the throttle and it backfires sometimes, what is causing this
  • NZriderNZrider
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    Im not sure but if i had a 3 day old bike doing that i'd be ringing my dealer
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  • Stauny75
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    take it back. i would not even touch that thing with a wrench. sounds like honda let you down. just exchange or get you money back
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  • yz250f4everyz250f4ever
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    yes do that asap, 3 days old, you have to be joking that your already having problems. I would give that dealer a piece of my mind if they give you any trouble with returning the bike.
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  • sean
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    They told me the R versions have no warranty at all when it leaves the lot its yours ,so now what do I do this was a $8k mistake on my half it looks like im scared to ride it, and im not going to try to work on it,
  • sean
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    They said the 450 x comes with a warranty but not the r because it's a competition bike
  • sean
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    Do any of you think I should try to call honda headquarters
  • sean
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    I keep calling petes cycle on Belair Road in Maryland about this this is where I bought the bike they keep putting me on hold and transferring my call 2 service and sales. I dont know what to do im ready to drop it off there and leave it and go somewhere else.I spent alot of money with these people I bought my daughters crf50 there, all my riding gear, all the accessories,I will never spend a doller there again,I wont buy a spark plug from these people
  • NZriderNZrider
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    you take your 4 day old bike back in there and show them how its not running properly and tell them to fix it
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  • yz250f4everyz250f4ever
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    dude i dont care if that was a brand new bike from 87 that you bought from a dealership, thats Bull shit! They ether need to fix it or let you trade it for another bike.
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  • MJP68MJP68
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    bring it in, show them what is happening and ask for advise.
    Im guessing it is operator error.

    Alex is there a choke/cold start knob on EFI bikes? what happens if you dont close them after starting the bike...


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  • Yeah there is. U shut it off after engines at operatin temps. But its not a choke its technically a "fast idle knob" for warm up only
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  • yz250f4everyz250f4ever
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    maple is correct, but the only reason i didnt bring that up is because you can leave them open for a very long time, and it wont kill the bike. It just is like a hot start lever it leans the mixture on start up's. Idk this sounds different like a manufacturing error. Did the bike run ok the first day you got it? is there any way water or moisture could have gotten into the fuel tank?
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    why is the sky blue? cause Yamaha's YZ's fly.
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    2011 yamaha YZ450F SE
    2008 yamaha yz250f fully modified
    2003 yamaha Tw200 Street legal ride
    &
    2008 X4R Pitster Pro 160F


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  • sean
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    I got ahold of the manager for service,he said I can drop it off,the mil light is not indicating that nothing is wrong,I have rode honda dirt bikes most of my life, and Yamaha ATVs,I have a raptor to I have been babying the bike for break in when I pull clutch in it dies unless I keep reving it up,it bogs n dies, this is the first fuel injected bike I've ever had but something definitely is off, if they have to dig into the bike I dont want it I want another one,I didnt get the 2013 because I don't like the air shocks, I like the white plastic and dual exhaust,but that's it , the first day I get off work ill take the bike back to Pete's cycle and ill let you all know what's going on. and the idle knob is only to be pulled for cold starts. I have 1 more question, I bought full synthetic oil . can I run this on both sides, or will it mess my clutch up??? how do you guys post pictures on here??
  • sean
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    after I get this bike situated, I want to check out Rock Run recreation in PA,im in essex Maryland, Baltimore County any of you close??? I have a truck and a trailer I like to ride with people , if any of you want to link up and go riding let me know
  • sean
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    my garage has heat in it, I never pulled idle before , because my manual says and the dealer told me that is only for cold starts, but the bike does this after it is hot as well,
  • Is it always in neutral when it cuts out?
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  • NZriderNZrider
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    will it ever idle? just wondering if it could be bad idle screw adjustment
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  • Thats wut i was thinking. The high idle on mine works reverse.

    Cause when u pop it into gear the gear selector switch should increase the idle??
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  • sean
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    it dies when I shift to first gear, and if im in 3rd flying down the street, when I pull the clutch in to downshift it dies inless I keep reving it up, it will Idle when I first start it but die when I try to go to first gear almost every time unless I keep reving it way up , I am thinking and hoping it just needs fine tune im going to take it back to the shop Saturday
  • sean
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    it seems like anytime I do anything with the clutch it wants to stall inless I rev it
  • sean
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    or I will start the bike and it will IdLe I'll pull clutch in goto first and it stalls immediately
  • sean
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    I wish I could post a video on here for you guys to see what im saying
  • markyrocks
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    Post video on YouTube and copy paste link here. (May have been asked) have you checked your clutch cable properly adjusted?
  • sean
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    I'm scared the mess with anything, and the dealer try to say that I did something to it.
  • sean
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    clutch feels like its right,has play in it it engages like it should I am getting ready for work .ill make a youtube video soon as I have time , thanks you mite be right ill check it im pissed man I bought a brand new bike Im scared to ride intill I know what's going on with it
  • sean
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    I took it to the shop,they said there was a piece of metal in the clutch cable,and idle screw was off so the ,,,said they fixed it I bring it home same thing the bike stalls on take off almost eveytime.the clutch is right the idle screw is right what else can can this be,
  • NZriderNZrider
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    what if you blip the thottle a bit before you click it into gear? will it stall still? hard to tell if its user error or a bike problem.

    im pretty sure the bike shop would have test ridden the bike before they gave it back to you. and they'd know whats right and whats wrong
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  • markyrocks
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    I'm almost wondering if your clutch just real grabby because it new an that after it breaks in that it will become more manageable.
  • sean
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    I dont know took it out today n hear a metal clapping coming from motor,bogs when I gun it,it was a mistake buying this bike,im not a new rider just have new bike ,and yes I have to rev it before I go into first or it will definitely die, I'm not a mechanic, I'm not a pro but I can ride,they had it in the service I went up stairs to buy 5 gallon gas jug, a GoPro, coolant and oil and stuff buy the time I was done shopping they was done with my bike,i load it on my trailer bring it home put in the garage,I went riding today came home when got dark,I have been taking it someone easy for break in on bike it never been out of 3 rd yet
  • sean
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    Ill make vid n put on youtube n put link on here for u tomorrow
  • sean
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    I'm not too good with computers, I do everything on my phone, if something is misspelled it's because I talk into it and it types what I say
  • sean
    Posts: 3,709
    They checked, clutch adjustment, idle screw
  • sean
    Posts: 3,709
    I'll just post a video, if I'm doing something wrong let me know, I never had a fuel injected bike so I dont know it that's what it is or what
  • Kiwi450xKiwi450x
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    FWIW, I have a friend with a 2013 CRF450R and as far as I know he hasn't had any problems with it. 

    If you can, take it back to the dealership (I know, again!!) and make them ride it up and down the yard (or the street, whatever) and they can sort it out right there and then.  If it's buggered, it's buggered, there'll be no argument then.  If it's rooted, I can't see how they'll get out of swapping it for a decent one giving your money back.

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  • sean
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    They said I had it since 9 th and theres no warranty at all on it,that's what I have to do it seems man this is crazy.
  • sean
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    The clapping I hear is coming from left side when I first start or going slow in first its metal on metal it sounds like.ill go back to shop again,another hour driving over this bullshit.if they dont get it right this time im contacting Honda headquarters n telling them I want another bike,the dealer is not going to try to here that I already know that.how did u put pic of your bike on here kiwI?
  • sean
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    I bought it new I want another new one if they'll swap. the 13 was only few bucks more I just dont like air shocks my old 500 had em,so I got 2012 I do like the dual exhaust, and white plastics though
  • Any good dealership stands behind what they sell. If they dont i wouldnt ever step foot in there again. Take it to em one nore time and talk to the serv manager or mechanic himself and explain the problem. Lots of times its due to poor communication that things like this happen
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  • markyrocks
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    Id just like to say I have zero confidence in my local dealer. Id trust them as far as I can throw em and that only if you could coax one of them out into the parking lot. I hate to say it but buying used has worked out well for me partly because the bike has been tried tested put thru the ringer and I've had next to no issues. Id love to say "that what u get for buying a Honda" but that's unfair. They prolly had some rookie put that bike together at the dealer.

    Ill tell short tale of woe. I had rear wheel for sv1000s needed tire mounted. Bearings were fine when I enter dealer trashed when I left.... hmmmm. I called bitched moaned. They say there balancing machine couldn't possiblely mess up bearings. I said if center spacer slipped mild pressure can warp bearing. The result ... I got crapped on even tho I've been customer of there's for over 7 years an bought new bike there once. They offered me a "discount" which was still more than twice what I paid on eBay. Never again I'm not crazy I know bearings were fine before. An this is a struggle over like 100$ not 9000$. Dealers feel like they have you by the ...junk plain an simple.

    The "clapping " maybe valve adjustment issue.
  • NZriderNZrider
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    is your chain tension ok? clapping noise could be chain slapping at low RPM/high load conditions. just an idea
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  • Good thought bj.
    Expect to die whenever but dream to live forever

    ..the good times on the old DR board will never be back! RIP!
  • My kawi makes a wicked chain slapping noise on decel/ braking in the corner when my chains too loose.
    Expect to die whenever but dream to live forever

    ..the good times on the old DR board will never be back! RIP!
  • sean
    Posts: 3,709
    I tighten the chain up, I a good 2 fingers
  • sean
    Posts: 3,709
    I made a video for you guys today, when my girl gets home I can figure out how to post it on youtube I will
  • sean
    Posts: 3,709
    I tried to explain everything to the dealer, he said it's a new bike is nothing wrong with it and there's no warranty with it, it was just the clutch cable and a idle screw, the 1 guy there told me there was a piece of metal in the clutch cable but that's b******* there's no way to see in a clutch cable and they did not replace it and that's not the problem, I might be mistaken here but I can swear sometimes I get the piston hit something, I have to go into work tomorrow about 3 o'clock I'm going to wake up early and try to get the bike back down there, if they don't fix it this time I'll take it down and leave it and reported stolen I got gap insurance for it and I added to my car insurance I made a video a quick video so you can have something to go by but I'll make it better video for you I'll have somebody else hold phone why I'm on the bike if I could pay 100 150 something like that I wouldn't even care I just wanted to reliable bike that's what I paid for, Honda dirt bikes is all I ride ,well buy anyway, 4 wheelers I go with Yamaha
  • sean
    Posts: 3,709
    when I go to the dealer, I'll video the conversation between me and them, I cant talk to them too long, once I start getting mad I just leave I'm trying to stay out of trouble not catch a charge. I'm getting too old for that s***, I just don't like being called a liar right is right wrong is wrong my manual says if I had any issues I can contact Honda headquarters and they will contact the dealer, but I'm scared to do that then they tell me to bring my bike in a mess something up out of spite
  • PaulB14PaulB14
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    now you're being paranoid.  Take the bike back and leave it with them once more, and explain that the last time they "fixed" it didn't deal with the main problems you are having.   Call Honda as well and let them know about your experience and don't fail to mention that you are sharing your experience on the internet.  

    Was this bike sitting for the past year?   If they put fuel in it and left it for over 2 months and the fuel has ethanol in it, it is possible that the ethanol went bad.  I know this is very rare but it can happen, and something that I would check out if I were in your situation.  
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  • yz250f4everyz250f4ever
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    jeeez, I am really sorry sean you have to go through this. This really blows, if you go there again and they still wont eexchange or tear the bike down for free. theres no other option but to call honda HQ. You shouldnt have to tear down your own bike after buying it thats BS! I bought a new yamaha YZ450F last year on the 15th of december, all i have done to it was grease alll the bearings and to regular maintenance like oil change and oil/air filter change and adjust the chain and what not. Brand new bikes arent suppose to have issues thats why many people buy new is because they want NO issues! 
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    Autismspeaks.org check it out
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    life in the fast rut!!!!
    why is the sky blue? cause Yamaha's YZ's fly.
    --------------------
    my rides-
    2011 yamaha YZ450F SE
    2008 yamaha yz250f fully modified
    2003 yamaha Tw200 Street legal ride
    &
    2008 X4R Pitster Pro 160F


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  • sean
    Posts: 3,709
    I got a hold of the service manager like you told me, they got my bike I left it there. come to find out the dude it looked at it last time was not even a service tech. I don't even know why he got on my bike then thats crazy
  • sean
    Posts: 3,709
    something told me to buy that 2013 Yamaha 450,that is a beautiful bike. you guys are awesome thanks for your help, support everybody comes together as 1 like this we can do big things 100 bucks apiece we could probably buy some land to ride, are any of you from Maryland I just moved to Essex maryland, if any of you are close let me know we can go riding

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