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  • jake_p_3.jake_p_3.
    Posts: 1,033
    stop what your doin' 'cause im about to ruin...i lost my train of thought. any way i was working on my starts and i think i have improved a lot, but now i still want to get better at them. does any one have any ideas, or thricks to help?
    1999 xr70r
    2005 crf150f
    1998 kx 125
    2006 yz450f
    2003 crf230f
  • NZriderNZrider
    Posts: 5,090
    depending on the grip available I will sometimes sit with my body slightly more upright then when the gate drops I pull my torso down as fast as i can onto the bar pad as i release the clutch.

    I believe this helps to transfer weight more quicky to the rear wheel as you launch which gives a bit more drive out of the hole. capeesh?
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  • 2nd gear. Clutch on the verge of exploding and release it (smooth and steady tho dont panic) while again smoothly but quickly hammerin on the throttle. And jab ur clutch to upshift and brake at the VERY last second
    Expect to die whenever but dream to live forever

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  • jake_p_3.jake_p_3.
    Posts: 1,033
    thanks nz, and maple. i found one to be more useful, but i will not name any names.
    1999 xr70r
    2005 crf150f
    1998 kx 125
    2006 yz450f
    2003 crf230f
  • NZriderNZrider
    Posts: 5,090
    lol its ok. Its just a stupid theory i have in my head
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    Winning is 90% rider and only 5% bike, the rest is luck
  • jake_p_3.jake_p_3.
    Posts: 1,033
    no that might be useful, the only thing koby's idea got me was a chuckle.
    1999 xr70r
    2005 crf150f
    1998 kx 125
    2006 yz450f
    2003 crf230f
  • pojp58pojp58
    Posts: 10,599
    As Maple said and as you bring your feet up shift to 3rd and you will pull away from the pack. Lots of gas.
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  • jake_p_3.jake_p_3.
    Posts: 1,033
    yeah i have been working on that. i shift just fine but i am experemnting with shifting sooner and later, what is usally the best?
    1999 xr70r
    2005 crf150f
    1998 kx 125
    2006 yz450f
    2003 crf230f
  • Take it or leave it jake. Dont b a dik
    Expect to die whenever but dream to live forever

    ..the good times on the old DR board will never be back! RIP!
  • masterlinkmasterlink
    Posts: 9,989
    shifting to 3rd is quicker if u use ur heel instead of putting ur foot all the way onto the peg and then shifting up.

    it also allows u to keep ur leg outstretched on really rutted starts, or betta yet on short starts that make a quick left ur leg is already out .


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    herby ur useless. MAPLE 2010
    Suzukidude, shut up. CS 2010
    Yeah der, errone be using no seize CRWOODS 2013

    So forward thinking everything else seems SDRAWKCAB.
  • pojp58pojp58
    Posts: 10,599
    I should have said that ML because that is important shifting with the heal. Its the only way to do it with speed and the  best way.
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  • jake_p_3.jake_p_3.
    Posts: 1,033
    i never thought of that! that would be so much faster, but it is getting cold again so it looks like i will have to try this next year. whay does it alsways get cold when i really want to ride.
    1999 xr70r
    2005 crf150f
    1998 kx 125
    2006 yz450f
    2003 crf230f
  • Mark47mxMark47mx
    Posts: 1,889
    There are a lot of good starters in the pros I really like what Villipoto does if you can watch some of RC's or McGrath's videos they really were good with the fundamentals. 
    The Gary Semics GSMXS.com starts video is very good.

    Keep both feet on the ground for the start this helps keep you balanced.
    2nd gear for 250 or bigger, 1st for small bore
    To elaborate on NZ's if it is tacky dirt you need to be up over the bars the more the traction decreases the more upright you can sit
    you need the weight over the rear tire to help prevent spinning.  With concrete you can sit upright
    As you release the clutch/apply throttle pull yourself forcefully to the bars with your arms and abs your head should be over the number plate.
    As far as clutch and power before the gate drops the power should be clean not over revving but high enough not to bog as you release the clutch.  As the gate drops open the throttle all the way and use the clutch to control wheel spin and front end height.  Ideally the front wheel should be approx 3 inches off the ground until you shift.

    As mentioned by pop and ML as the left leg is lifted to the peg click to third with the heel of your boot  Keep the throttle pegged during this shift   I don't use the clutch for this shift any reduction in power or traction and the field will fly by.
    A Stars started putting a little logo nob on the heel back in the 90's just for this purpose many others have followed suit.  (The mid 90's Tech 7 was the first boot I can recall having the nob someone else may have had it before them but not that I can recall)

    Practice Practice Practice.
    If the engine bogs or you go over the back you are letting the clutch out to fast for the dirt.
    Work on clutch control and balance.




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    2006 RM-250
  • Great advice mark
    Expect to die whenever but dream to live forever

    ..the good times on the old DR board will never be back! RIP!
  • jake_p_3.jake_p_3.
    Posts: 1,033
    yeah. thanks i really need to work on my starts. i have been starting in 2nd in my 150 and it seems fine, but i will try first. at my first race i was about the fourth to the first tun, out of 9 or 10 people. so i didnt do that bad, but i really would like to be the first one. mike alessi once said "the start is the only time you can pass everyone at once".
    1999 xr70r
    2005 crf150f
    1998 kx 125
    2006 yz450f
    2003 crf230f
  • yz250f4everyz250f4ever
    Posts: 6,752
    not that i am some huge racer but i have raced quite a few times. On my 450F what i like to do is sit as far up towards the gas cap as I can. Keep your elbows up in attack position face looking just over the tip of your front fender. My 450 I always start in second even on my 250F as well. Keep the bike reving just below the rev limiter. people who think you have to rev it to the moon i dont understand its just gonna make you spin. Anyways soon as the gate drops, let your clutch out 3/4 of the way and then once your front tire passes clearly over the gate drop it all the way (this prevents slippage). as soon as your bike is about to rev out of second pull your heel in and shift up into 3rd with your heel, and bring your foot back around to the peg as you normally would. anyways hope this helps tis is what i try to do, but starts very from dirt composition to concrete. and remember one of the biggest thing keep he throttle coming dont back off.
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    life in the fast rut!!!!
    why is the sky blue? cause Yamaha's YZ's fly.
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    2011 yamaha YZ450F SE
    2008 yamaha yz250f fully modified
    2003 yamaha Tw200 Street legal ride
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  • yz250f4everyz250f4ever
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    sorry mark pretty much covered it, i didnt read all of the posts.
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    Autismspeaks.org check it out
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    life in the fast rut!!!!
    why is the sky blue? cause Yamaha's YZ's fly.
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    my rides-
    2011 yamaha YZ450F SE
    2008 yamaha yz250f fully modified
    2003 yamaha Tw200 Street legal ride
    &
    2008 X4R Pitster Pro 160F


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  • jake_p_3.jake_p_3.
    Posts: 1,033
    thats why people say not to let the clutch out all the way at first. if i powershift into third will it hurt the bike a lot?
    1999 xr70r
    2005 crf150f
    1998 kx 125
    2006 yz450f
    2003 crf230f
  • NZriderNZrider
    Posts: 5,090
    nah. IMO powershifting really isnt bad for your bike like some people think.
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    Winning is 90% rider and only 5% bike, the rest is luck
  • jake_p_3.jake_p_3.
    Posts: 1,033
    okay then.
    1999 xr70r
    2005 crf150f
    1998 kx 125
    2006 yz450f
    2003 crf230f
  • Mark47mxMark47mx
    Posts: 1,889
    I do not use the clutch on starts and when down shifting into corners.

    If your tranny wont power shift on the start then a quick slap of the clutch is MUCH better than letting of the throttle
    For down shifting specifically going into turns I never to pull the clutch unless doing a brake slide.
    The back end tracks much better and is more stable, less likely to kick if the engine is helping out.
    Once in the corner I will start slipping the clutch if needed to control traction while keeping the RPM's up.
    Coming out of a corner is just like a start throttle pinned use the clutch for traction control.
    (I work a lot on corners trying to control the back end with the clutch, the response is so much better doing this instead of waiting on the engine to respond) 
    The other technique for corners that I try to incorporate into practice is dragging the front brake in a berm or rut this will compress the front end which in turn shortens wheel base and increases the steering angle which lets you carry more speed through the turn.  You don't always need to do this but It will keep you in the rut or berm if you are a little hot coming in or trigger happy on the gas.

    You may need to replace brakes or clutch a bit more often with these techniques but the tranny will hold up no problems.
    You will also go much faster....
    This was a bit more than what you were asking but hope it helps.  Please note my reference is 2 strokes with four stroke there may be a little different technique.
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    Colorado

    2006 RM-250
  • jake_p_3.jake_p_3.
    Posts: 1,033
    i wish i was riddin a 2t but it is a 4t and thanks. i got shifting with the heel down, and feel really confident with starts now i will need to work more on cornering smoothly, and fast.
    1999 xr70r
    2005 crf150f
    1998 kx 125
    2006 yz450f
    2003 crf230f

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