New 03` Yammy YZ 85
  • YZ85R1D3RYZ85R1D3R
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  • YZ85R1D3RYZ85R1D3R
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    Hello,
    What mixture ratio should I use if im doing mostly trail riding? Currently alot of parts have been replaced on the bike when I bought it... but how long should I replace parts after riding?[piston rings, blah blah]
    Please list what parts and how many hours.
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  • SkipperSkipper
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    The manual says 30:1. I run 32:1, and so do most folk I know around here who own one. Run the BR9EG plug, instead of the stock BR10EG plug - yamaha missed the mark on the heat range of the plug on this bike for some reason.
    If you're playing aroung (trails and such) and not subjecting it to race conditions, I'd replace the ring every 20 hours, and the piston/bearing/wristpin every 40. I just bought a topend kit for my YZ85 (piston, pin, bearing, ring, circlips, and gaskets) and it was around $100. The ring alone is $10, so no big cost there.
    I know one person on this board, who I won't name, that is VERY well respected by this community for his experience with bikes. He told me he ran his for nearly 40 hours without changing anything, and he ran 32:1.

    These bikes are more durable than you might think. Using the standard "ring every 20 hours, piston/bearing/pin every other ring change" rule would be a good schedule - You can stretch it longer, but the parts for this bike are cheap and it's so easy to work on!
    BTW - it will last longer if you run it a little on the rich side. If you're at sea level that means run a 138 main, needle in the 2nd clip, and a 42 pilot.

    Good luck!
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  • YZ85R1D3RYZ85R1D3R
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    Thanks mate,
    Okay.. the only thing I was confused about.. is the last paragraph?
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  • YZ85R1D3RYZ85R1D3R
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    Also, whats the diffrence between 32:1 and 40:1 on the yz85?
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  • SkipperSkipper
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    The higher rpm of the YZ demands a little more lubrication - I'd stay with the 32:1 ratio.

    As for the last paragraph - not sure which part you were confiused about so I'll cover the whole thing:

    These bikes are more durable than you might think. (they are durable)
    Using the standard "ring every 20 hours, piston/bearing/pin every other ring change" rule would be a good schedule (it's typical with a 2 stroke to change the ring after every 20 hours of riding, and change the whole topend after every 40 hours. So... at the 20 hour mark, you change the ring, and at the 40 hour mark you change the whole topend, then at the 60 hour mark, change the ring, and at the 80 hour mark, the whole topend... and on and on)
    - You can stretch it longer, but the parts for this bike are cheap and it's so easy to work on! (you can go longer than 20 hours on a ring, but the parts are so cheap, and the job is so simple, it's not worth taking the chance)

    BTW - it will last longer if you run it a little on the rich side. If you're at sea level that means run a 138 main, needle in the 2nd clip, and a 42 pilot. :

    (By rich, I meant Air/Fuel ratio.. at sea level you can run this bike with a 135 main jet - which is leaner than stock - and it will perform very well, but it will wear through rings more quickly, so if you are at sea level, you should probably run it a little rich by using the 138 main - which is the stock main jet. The stock jet needle should also be in the 2nd clip (shich is where it was from the factory, and also a littel on the rich side), and use the #42 pilot jet.

    That help?

    Cheers..

    Good luck!
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  • YZ85R1D3RYZ85R1D3R
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    So to make myself clear..
    I change all the piston rings, blah blah every 20/h
    and rebuild top end every 40/h
    Also, I was told to run 40:1 by my dad.. but I would like to run 32:1... my dad asked, "Whats he difference between them on this bike?"
    So im also wondering what is better for the bike if im mostly trail riding? 40:1 - 32:1
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  • SkipperSkipper
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    You've pretty much got it!
    There is only one ring, btw - pretty simple!

    You can certainly make an argument for running 40:1 if all you are doing is trail riding. If you aren't running the engine hard, it probably won't hurt anything. However, 32:1 provides more lubrication, and this is important for an engine that's already a screamer by nature. Also, the 32:1 provides better ring sealing than 40:1.
    Thin of it this way - Yamaha engineers built this bike and we should expect that they know best how to run it - they say 30:1/32:1 and that's what most of us run in our YZ85's.
    Here's a thought. Use 40:1 the first time around. Then, when you go to change the ring at 20 hours, measure the end gap for wear and write the number down. Then run the next 20 hours (with the new ring) at 32:1. See if you notice any performance or power difference. When the 20 hours is up, check the ring for wear and measure the end-gap. Compare the ring run for 20 hours at 32:1 to the ring run for 20 hours at 40:1. That way you have some scientific and quantifiable way of measuring the difference in wear between 32:1 and 40:1.
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  • YZ85R1D3RYZ85R1D3R
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    Oh, wow.. so I change one ring every 20/h
    and change top end every 40/h... pretty simple.
    Im going to run it at 32:1. Thank you for all your help skipkh... you must have a good rep in these forums =P
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  • SkipperSkipper
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    No problem! Always glad to help... now remember to always warm it up before you take off, run the BR9EG plug, and keep that air filter clean! And, of course, be safe :)
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  • YZ85R1D3RYZ85R1D3R
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    I'll be sure to do all that.. I also got help from a friend to maintain it. THANKS ALOT!
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  • SkipperSkipper
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    You're very welcome!

    Hope to see you back here soon :) Hopefully with a well-running bike...
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  • YZ85R1D3RYZ85R1D3R
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    I got a dual map ignition system? What does this do, I just noticed...
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  • SkipperSkipper
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    many aftermarket ignition systems are made.... a 'map' would be something like "at x rpm's, use y ignition timing".. so basically, each map represents a 'when this condition exists, use this value for xxx"

    I can't give your more info than that becaue I really don't mess with the factory ignitions.
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  • YZ85R1D3RYZ85R1D3R
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    Okay... I got the bike, rode it for the first time yesterday. Man its killer... I gotta get used to the throttle and not gasing it like heck when I had my TTR 125 to get it moving. This bike yanks me off the floor in gear one! The problem is... starting the bike. The choke is designed to be held, and if you dont hold it... it will go down. Even holding the choke and gas on and all... the bike wont start. I give it a bit of gas, start kicking like crazy and it wont start! I started it last night after 30 minutes of trying. How do I start this bike in the first kick? The guy I bought it from has garaged it for a month and started it FIRST KICK! How the heck did he do it? Is there a secret to it? How do you kick these bikes to go on the firt couple of kicks Dave or Skip, please help. Thanks in advance.
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    Is there any chokes that click in and get held up or stay up by themselves? Like my bro's YZ 125. That would be godly! Gimmie a note if there is one for 85's. I tried to go down a hill and kick it into first... it starts, but I cant hold my clutch in and pull up my choke at the same time.
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  • SkipperSkipper
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    Ahh Grasshopper! The secret of the 'kick' :)

    1. DO NOT use any throttle when starting it.
    2. The choke WILL click - if it doesn't then something is wrong with your choke.
    3. With the choke 'clicked' in place, give it a swift kick - but still don't touch the gas - even when it's running. Let it idle on choke for 15-30 secs, then turn the choke off. After that you can blip the throttle to keep it running (if you need to - mine idles fine without it)
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  • YZ85R1D3RYZ85R1D3R
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    on a side note; I just noticed something black oil or something was leaking out of my FMF shorty exhaust, When I tried to clean it off, I noticed it was dry and from yesterday. It ran down the pipe and spat some out on the side fender aswell.
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  • YZ85R1D3RYZ85R1D3R
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    Ahh Professional! I tried to not give throttle at first and my choke wont click. I tried to kick it without gas for a while. Bah, Cold start maybe? As it hasnt been kicked in 2 weeks other than yesterday
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  • SkipperSkipper
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    That black oil is normal - it will drool a little.

    Hmm.. gas shouldn't have gone bad in two weeks but it's possible. Drain it and use fresh fuel. Spark plug may be fouled - check it, and if need be replace it (use the BR9EG plug). Choke WILL click - if not, then the carb is faulty. I'll eat the packing out of my muffler if anyone can prove me wrong on that! :) The choke linkage can get messed up or dirty, causing it not to click. But - it is designed to click when functioning properly.
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  • YZ85R1D3RYZ85R1D3R
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    Btw, My bro starts his yz125 first kick. He tried to start mine (Assuming that he starts his first kick, he can do the same to mine.), even he cant do it.
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  • YZ85R1D3RYZ85R1D3R
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    and I just put new gas into it and tried starting it 30 minutes later
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  • SkipperSkipper
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    Step 1: Check plug
    Step 2: Service choke linkage
    Step 3: Show your bro he isn't the only stud in the house that can start a bike on one kick

    :D
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  • YZ85R1D3RYZ85R1D3R
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    Im checking the plug right now.
    I'll do that with my dad tonight.
    Watch, I'll show him hows its done later. =]
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  • SkipperSkipper
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    Let's get a few more opinions on this - Dave, you've got one of these bikes too - thoughts for our friend here? Woods - batter up! Can ya repost your oft-quoted surefire 2-stroke starting procedure here again for us?

    THX

    Skip
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  • yzwoodsyzwoods
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    I think you got it handled. LOL. I'm sick of typing how to start a bike. Its all you brother.:)
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    PS...My advice is to read the manual and half this awnseres itself DOH......
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  • YZ85R1D3RYZ85R1D3R
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    WOOT, 3RD KICK, checked plug... plugged it back in. I gotta service the choke linkage and im done. I gotta get used to kicking this thing over... Anyways. Thanks Skip
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  • SkipperSkipper
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    No prob! let us know if you get the choke 'clicking'...
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  • YZ85R1D3RYZ85R1D3R
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    Rofl, Starts first kick now, perfecto. Now lets get the choke on topic. How do I service the choke linkage? Step by step guide Skip? Rofl. My dad knows little to nothing about dirtbikes and I want to get my hands on this bike and learn more about it.
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  • SkipperSkipper
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    Step by step guide eh? You paying me for this? :D

    Do you have a service manual (not the crappy owners - the actual service manual)? If not, ya need one.

    You really need to take the carb abart to do the service. I'll get you started though... loosen the screw for the clamp that hold the carb to the reed boot. Now loosen the screw for the clamp that holds the carb to the airbox. Rotate the carb toward you and take the 2 screws off the top of the carb. The top will come off. Pull the spring up with your fingers, compressing it to the carb cover you just took off. The slide will come up and out (be careful not to bend or scrape the needle). You will see a white cup in there - pull it up and it will expose a hole in the slide and in that hole you can see how the throttle cable connects to the slide. Remove the cable from the slide. Now take a digital pic or several of the carb vent lines. Now remove the lines and the fuel line to the carb, and you should be able to remove the carb itself. Inspect the chocke linkage. clean off any dirt and oil it with light multi-purpose oil. If that doesn't solve your problem, then you really are going to need the manual to disassemble the carb. I'm hoping that a good cleaning and librication will fix it though.
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  • YZ85R1D3RYZ85R1D3R
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    Haha, I got an owners manual. I'll head on down and get a service manual later today.
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  • SkipperSkipper
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    Good! You'll really need it to properly maintain your bike.
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  • YZ85R1D3RYZ85R1D3R
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    Okay, what are some upgrades to convert this bike to a trail rider. Heard it has more top end then low end power. I heard you can get a 52 tooth sprocket, dont wanna be fouling plugs
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  • SkipperSkipper
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    All I did to mine was add 1 tooth to the rear sprocket.
    There really isn't much low-end power, but the mid and top are plenty strong.
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  • YZ85R1D3RYZ85R1D3R
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    Will I be fouling plugs alot though? Cause I wont be in the power-band alot... ?
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  • SkipperSkipper
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    You should be running the BR9EG plug, and using a premix ratio at 32:1 - that alleviates most of the plug fouling issue with this bike. Adding a tooth to the rear puts you up higher in the powerband and will actually make your bike foul LESS! How cool is that?
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  • yzwoodsyzwoods
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  • YZ85R1D3RYZ85R1D3R
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    Check out my garage to see my ride =]
    so how many teeth do I need in total on the rear sprocket? 51 or 52
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  • SkipperSkipper
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    There should be a number stamped on your rear sprocket. That tells you how many teeth thte current one has. Please check it and let me know.. my stock one was 47 and I changed it for a 48. If yours is already 51 or 52, then it's not the original sprocket.
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  • yzlandry85yzlandry85
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    if u were to get a 52 though
    wouldnt that make the top weaker
    DRFMAS :D
  • SkipperSkipper
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    Nope - it would only make the top speed lower MPH.
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  • yzlandry85yzlandry85
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    oh well yea thats what i meant
    DRFMAS :D
  • YZ85R1D3RYZ85R1D3R
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    Will a 50 Ring do? I got the 48 on right now?
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  • YZ85R1D3RYZ85R1D3R
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    I have a 47 [Original], 48 [On bike when I bought it], and a 50. The bike came w/ 2 extra's
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  • SkipperSkipper
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    Personally, I run the 48T sprocket, and I might think about a 49T as I get fatter with old age :) My concern over any sprocket bigger than the 49T is that the midrange hit on the YZ85 is vicious enough as it is, and the bigger the sprocket, the meaner the hit. I trail ride mine with the 48T and it works pretty good...
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  • YZ85R1D3RYZ85R1D3R
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    Okay, well. Im still getting used to being gentle with the throttle... the 48 will do I guess. Thanks Skip =]
    I'll make revive this thread if I need more help
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  • SkipperSkipper
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    Sounds good to me!

    Good luck!
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  • hey on my 02 yz85 my main jet is 138 and the pilot 45
    the neddle is on the second from the top and has NBKF on it
    with the pilot u sed that urs was 42 is that stock or did u change the stock to a 42
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  • i run my bike at 36:1 (yz85) and i reckon that it runs really well, i dont race but i do ride my bike preety hard when i go to mx parks, But i also do some trails. and make sure u use good oil like castrol, motul, motorex. they are probably the best :)

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